Connie Flipped Out On Shrooms

I went back and forth on whether I should put up these videos because the source is from an Atheist by the name of Peter Thurston who couldn't help himself with little digs in insulting me when I was nothing but nice to him for calling out the facts. But I can take it because I'm a big boy and Peter isn't going to stress God out with what he has to say. Below are arguments, from 3 anti-gay powerhouses, even an Atheist like that dolt can refute. It also shows the cunning of these men in how they try to figure out how to undermine arguments for equality. The second video is a refute of the New Atlantis mag touting a bogus anti-LGBTQ study (remember the debunked Regnerus study?).* These types of arguments are in the secular domain and not just within the Church, so they are free to be taken apart even by non-believers even though believers think they don't know "Christian Stuff."

My Take:

I think most Christians underestimate the unbelievers in the world. If they see what is bigotry, it will be bigotry in a real sense anyone can grasp and it's not coming from a place of not believing in a God or lack of morals, unlike what the 3 above would have you believe. It comes from seeing one group of people having a prejudice against another group of people just for being who they are. This looks hypocritical when this group with the display of prejudice is having premarital sex and coveting. Practice these or other sins and you have no place to quote Romans to a homosexual. Paul said IMAGE was everything to the unbelieving world:
"To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some. I do all things for the sake of the gospel... "

Yet this is completely lost on most Christians like the ones above who feel they need to have special round table discussions on homosexuality and THIS is hypocritical to the unbelieving World.

When you discriminate against the LGBTQ community because you think your faith gives you this entitlement, this is bigotry by its very definition YOU think is God-backed and what is "bigotry" everyone can understand? A bigoted belief is one that respects, enforces or socially/culturally maintains enforcement of oppression on a disenfranchised minority for no useful reason other than prejudice, belief, and tradition. But it also is a belief that perpetuates stigma, stereotypes, misinformation, or cruelty to disenfranchised minorities. Even if the person believes their argument is sound, if it hurts, defames, dehumanizes, disenfranchises, stigmatizes, or insults the being of a person, it is BIGOTED. 
Bigotry should not even be in the vocabulary of a Christian with another also created in the image of God.

The 3 tries to get around this by saying; "Well the Bible says..." But Paul shuts them down by asking; "What have we to do with the affairs of the world? Nothing." We are only called to live at peace with our neighbor, walk 2 miles when they ask us to walk 1, and love them like a favorite child.
Instead of TRYING to not sound bigoted and getting frustrated when you still come off like one, why not take a good look at yourself and see if the unbelieving world has reason to see you as a bigot? Paul says himself we are to examine ourselves and these men have missed the mark. The "World" isn't irrational and they can see when a wrong is being done to another no matter the reason you give.

I have nothing to say about these two old goats other than they should be put to bed with a big glass of warm milk.

*A few years back study researchers on homosexuality held a press conference demanding anti-gay Christian groups stop twisting their data. Did they listen? No. They just can't help themselves with what's outright bearing false witness with these studies that should be yanked out of their hands.

Kevin DeYoung

Spending my time refuting the dragon Gagnon, I tend to miss the younger serpents that slip through the cracks. Though DeYoung (a younger and prettier version of Gagnon) has been around for a while, for some reason it's only now he's gotten my attention.

Listening to DeYoung speak in a video really surprised me with what were elementary arguments (Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality, etc.) I didn't see in anyway challenging (I later refute his attempt to refute Boswell in my "Late Nite Tapas" thread).

Like Brown's 9 questions, DeYoung goes the umpteenth mile with coming up with 40 to those who would affirm homosexuality with the Bible. Apparently, this was a clarion call to tons of bloggers who decided to take up his 40 question challenge and now he has shut up because of the countless responses that rained down on his head like rocks he never expected.

This is a response in a comment forum of yet another blogger who answered the challenge, worth repeating, about what DeYoung tried to accomplish with his 40 questions:

"I think Kevin DeYoung is quickly going to get tired of seeing all of these "40 Answers" blogs - for one simple reason: when he posed his asinine list of questions, he thought he was asking tough questions we wouldn't be able to answer in some sort of "Ha, GOTCHA!" fashion that has become the favorite weapon in the heterosexist arsenal of late. 

It's a pretty impotent weapon. Unfortunately, I think when he asked these questions, he wasn't really interested in getting answers (I say this about Charisma magazine with Brown's 9 Questions on this, my own blog). So on HIM, this is casting pearls before swine. However, I'm glad you're saying these things because others who follow his line of bilge might see posts like this one and begin to open their minds and hearts a bit."

DeYoung said; "If this volume makes no contribution beyond explaining why God opposes the homosexual lifestyle, a worthwhile goal will have been accomplished.” (DeYoung 2000). 

This is what he wants his great contribution to be? Telling gays God isn't happy with their lives? I thought it would be, I don't know, bringing the message of salvation to the homosexual?

If anyone wants to bring any of DeYoung's arguments, please be my guest. I doubt that will happen though as I've refuted what he's had to say came from better apologists.