It was founded by a man named Justin Lee who came from an Evangelical background like myself, but wanted an ecumenical safe space (Justin popularized the "Side A, Side B" stances. I told him at the time that it would only convolute the Bible and homosexual debate). GCN was set up to be a meeting place for gay Christians who didn't all hold the same beliefs, but had the commonality with being LGBTQ and Christian.
If you know even a little of the history of the Body of Christ, you know that those in it don't always get along. Look at the conflict between the two powerhouses of Paul and Peter? Here's Paul telling Peter he's doing it wrong and Peter resenting this Pharisee who hunted down Christians telling him what to do when Jesus told Peter HE was the rock the Lord's Church was going to be built on (I'd like to think when Paul traveled to finally have a showdown with Peter in person, it wasn't to hit him over the head with a big rock to make a point). Then there was the war between the Orthodox and Gnostic Christians, Paul attacking Christians who were falling for all types of heresies, not to mention all the in-fighting within the churches Paul was always writing letters telling them to stop.
My point with all this is that even though we are all Christians, we are very much still human and there will always be conflict between us even on the day the Lord takes us into the sky.
Sometimes conflict is necessary because some Christian beliefs need to be banged out to see if they pass the Word of God test. It just has to be done and the victor of those conflicts is an example of why we don't have Cataphrygian Christianity instead of the one we know and love today. Paul also didn't mince words with telling heretics off. Like I said, no one likes conflict, but it's a necessity to keep the integrity of the Word of God from going into weird spaces.
My leaving GCN started with attacks on a friend Rick Brentlinger who was also writing at GCN, a guy who towed the conservative Bible line of the Bible being the inspired Word of God, a belief that made up my own belief system. Without going into it, GCN was falling into nasty debates with what was a split between the more Orthodox Christians like Rick and myself and those who weren't (they had a "debate forum" on the site at one time). I somehow ended up fronting the Orthodox Christian side (Rick bowed out because he's a lover and not a fighter) and the other side had an ex-seminary student as their anti-me who I would see on a PBS documentary on gay Christians years later. Other site posters either took sides or ran for cover. Because I was pointing out the truths of the Bible as literal truths, I came off as the bad "Bible-Thumper" (not a good taste in the mouth of many over there with the experiences they've had being gay and those in the Church) who's spoiling everyone else's form of goofy types of Christianity and practices the Bible said weren't correct (much of it had to do with the practices of Christian "mysticism" the Bible condemns in no uncertain terms). I had some great Titans on my side during that messy conflict and one Pentecostal lesbian was a real scrapper (keep fighting the good fight Heather) who always had my back, but I knew this conflict was doing this fledgling body of gay believers no good and I dusted the dirt off my feet and left. Justin deleted my final goodbye post like a roommate throwing my stuff on the sidewalk and changing the locks.
I bring all this up now because I just watched a video of a debate between Justin Lee and James White with my responses in the comments section. As long as people like Justin try to justify homosexuality apart from the yes or no of the Bible? People like White will always get the upper hand if you hold the Bible as the very Word of God. Even though White fell on Justin like a cartoon anvil, this YT comment gave a perspective benefitting Justin:
"Justin Lee came into this meeting at a severe disadvantage. He was confronting James White, a more experienced speaker who seemed insistent on debate. Lee admitted he did not want to go into head to head cross discussion for fear of alienating many in his own organization who believed that Christians were called to live lives of celibacy. Another reason NOT mentioned in the video is that the audience was almost entirely unanimous in its belief that same gender relations were sinful. A head to head argument would very likely have only created animosity with such a partisan assembly if they were to hear Lee continually say their personal beliefs were mistaken. White tried to compare this with his visiting a Mosque in England with a mixed Christian and Muslim congregation in which he stated that Christ was the way. But while the situation he described was (somewhat) similar it was hardly the same as what Justin Lee was facing since there was scarcely anything "mixed" about the people he was addressing. These factors combined with a natural shyness he admitted to on a GCN podcast a few months following this event are why Justin Lee should be credited just for having shown up. What's more, it appeared that instead of trying to "win" the audience over, Lee was trying to get them to simply know him better, perhaps in the hope they would like him and (MAYBE) want to know why he feels and believes the way he does by going on line to GCN. In this, he just may be able to claim some measure of success."
Sometimes conflict is necessary because some Christian beliefs need to be banged out to see if they pass the Word of God test. It just has to be done and the victor of those conflicts is an example of why we don't have Cataphrygian Christianity instead of the one we know and love today. Paul also didn't mince words with telling heretics off. Like I said, no one likes conflict, but it's a necessity to keep the integrity of the Word of God from going into weird spaces.
My leaving GCN started with attacks on a friend Rick Brentlinger who was also writing at GCN, a guy who towed the conservative Bible line of the Bible being the inspired Word of God, a belief that made up my own belief system. Without going into it, GCN was falling into nasty debates with what was a split between the more Orthodox Christians like Rick and myself and those who weren't (they had a "debate forum" on the site at one time). I somehow ended up fronting the Orthodox Christian side (Rick bowed out because he's a lover and not a fighter) and the other side had an ex-seminary student as their anti-me who I would see on a PBS documentary on gay Christians years later. Other site posters either took sides or ran for cover. Because I was pointing out the truths of the Bible as literal truths, I came off as the bad "Bible-Thumper" (not a good taste in the mouth of many over there with the experiences they've had being gay and those in the Church) who's spoiling everyone else's form of goofy types of Christianity and practices the Bible said weren't correct (much of it had to do with the practices of Christian "mysticism" the Bible condemns in no uncertain terms). I had some great Titans on my side during that messy conflict and one Pentecostal lesbian was a real scrapper (keep fighting the good fight Heather) who always had my back, but I knew this conflict was doing this fledgling body of gay believers no good and I dusted the dirt off my feet and left. Justin deleted my final goodbye post like a roommate throwing my stuff on the sidewalk and changing the locks.
I bring all this up now because I just watched a video of a debate between Justin Lee and James White with my responses in the comments section. As long as people like Justin try to justify homosexuality apart from the yes or no of the Bible? People like White will always get the upper hand if you hold the Bible as the very Word of God. Even though White fell on Justin like a cartoon anvil, this YT comment gave a perspective benefitting Justin:
"Justin Lee came into this meeting at a severe disadvantage. He was confronting James White, a more experienced speaker who seemed insistent on debate. Lee admitted he did not want to go into head to head cross discussion for fear of alienating many in his own organization who believed that Christians were called to live lives of celibacy. Another reason NOT mentioned in the video is that the audience was almost entirely unanimous in its belief that same gender relations were sinful. A head to head argument would very likely have only created animosity with such a partisan assembly if they were to hear Lee continually say their personal beliefs were mistaken. White tried to compare this with his visiting a Mosque in England with a mixed Christian and Muslim congregation in which he stated that Christ was the way. But while the situation he described was (somewhat) similar it was hardly the same as what Justin Lee was facing since there was scarcely anything "mixed" about the people he was addressing. These factors combined with a natural shyness he admitted to on a GCN podcast a few months following this event are why Justin Lee should be credited just for having shown up. What's more, it appeared that instead of trying to "win" the audience over, Lee was trying to get them to simply know him better, perhaps in the hope they would like him and (MAYBE) want to know why he feels and believes the way he does by going on line to GCN. In this, he just may be able to claim some measure of success."
Years later I see Justin in another debate (he pops up from time to time and I think he wrote a book you should all buy) and sure enough, he's back with his; "I don't want to argue" stance and of course, they wipe the floor with him yet again.
Justin is an admitted X-Men geek and I told him in a way he could understand. You will always be Professor X, and I will always be your Magneto. They will never accept us, so I will bring the fight to them.
Inside a GCN conference.
